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Exactly. and that's the risk where people, voters, just start giving up. and i think that's also the aim in some ways because you've got a president who has a corruption issue and a real one. so, what you do with a story like this is make it look like everybody's the same. >> yeah. >> and put a cloud over biden's head as well. >> it's a fascinating article. appreciate it so much. >> thanks for having me. we're going to explore the unanswered questions in the ukraine affair, talk to voters in a key swing state when we continue. he world, what do you see? we see patterns. relationships. when y...

Talking about gordon sondland secretary of state pompeo. the u.s. ambassador to the so he comes to this with an european union, ambassador sondland said he talked to immense credibility. and i think the other thing garrett talked about closing the president zelensky and told them that although this was not a loop, you know, in a sense, this is a jigsaw puzzle. quid pro quo, if president every witness brings a piece to zelensky did not clear things up it. we get the defense department in public, we would be at a stalemate. piece. perhaps, get the omb piece. i understood a stalemate to mean we'r...

End of the saga here, that the u.s. had effectively worked on this corruption issue for long enough, paints herself as somebody that's not partisan, said she never knew hunter biden, only met joe biden in his vice presidential capacity once or twice. alludes to having some meetings or connections with rudy giuliani, but doesn't get into them specifically, only says essentially the president's mind was poisoned against her and she was fired or recalled from that job merely because the president had lost confidence in her, not because she had done anything wrong in that position. they have been ...

President of the united states to make sure that money is going to a nation that is not corrupt, making sure they have cleaned up their act and that is what he was trying to figure out. >> neil: you don't think any level, just appearance of that or pressuring a foreign country to intervene potentially in a presidential account, someone might oppose in the next election, on any level that is dangerous? it is already gotten talk that when the chinese come to discuss trade, maybe they feel they have to bring some information in the trade talks. >> jim: neil, the president is focused on corruption...

Last month instead of the president going where he met with the ukrainian leader, though it is unclear how the vice president's office will respond to that request. >> and he pushed zelensky on the corruption issue and it is unclear if he said anything about the bidens or any of the other investigations that the president wants. kaitlan collins, thank you so much. president trump -- let's bring in the panel. president trump said he's focused only on corruption and not investigations of his rivals but then he wasn't able to answer this quick key question from aimon javers about what other ind...