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To pay a premium to see a doctor if they want to. heather: that brings us the cost question, less out-of-pocket costs for patients? >> i have to say cost, don't the cost savings that the patient level. there are savings with price negotiation between drug companies and pharmacies, will the patient see the cost? not historically. heather: the opioid crisis at length, a lot needs to be done in the area, will this merger help at all? >> strong reservations about this merger, it may improve the opioid crisis, won't fix it but help it a little bit in the sense that right now, getting multiple opioi...

What's disruption is a social media campaign significantly shifting a national policy. and also add in addition to the cost question, so, the military pays ten times more in viagra coverage than it would to cover our transgender, openly serving men and women. >> yeah, i've had a whole conversation about that yesterday on my show. >> okay, thank you. >> totally aware of the nickels and dimes going in different directions. and i think also part of the point was, there were conservatives on capitol hill who were lobbying the white house on this specifically and they weren't asking for an all-out ...

Government or their employer. and the uninsured, or at least part of the uninsured market. that is kind of a direct -- the government directly -- taking over about 7 or 8% of the market it doesn't have control over now. even in that part of the market, even there where they're having the most direct effect, there is not even a public option with the public insurer pushing out the public sector. people are still going to be buying from cigna, blue cross or blue shield or kaiser. not to say there is not government regulation, but the idea that it is a government takeover? >> what about the cost ...

Government or their employer. and the uninsured, or at least part of the uninsured market. that is kind of a direct -- the government directly -- taking over about 7 or 8% of the market it doesn't have control over now. even in that part of the market, even there where they're having the most direct effect, there is not even a public option with the public insurer pushing out the public sector. people are still going to be buying from cigna, blue crosska. not to say there is not government regulation, but the idea that it is a government takeover? >> what about the cost question, i am fascinat...

Chris? >> chris: obviously, this is going to be a big issue between now and the presidential election november 2012. how do you see it playing out over the next two years? >> i think we will be legislating this issue of healthcare and healthcare reform for years to come. as partly because the bill does nothing to address the cost question. my sense is that when it's all said and done, we will have a healthcare system that doesn't look like the old one, but doesn't look very much like this one either. >> chris: thanks. now to our other big story, the leader of the nation that holds the biggest ...