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Telephone booth. he was also under investigation for his 2017 lease of a bedroom in a condominium linked to a canadian energy company's powerful washington lobbying firm. and for accusations that he demoted or sidelined epa employees who questioned his actions. nbc's hans nichols joins us from the white house along with "the new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker and with us on set careen john pierre senior advisor to move on.org and michael steel, former chairman of the rnc. hans, let's start with you. this news not surprising, but it seemed to take a crush of negative pr...

>> the law doesn't allow you to maintain your nonprofit status, so for evangelical preachers, mega-churches, big ticket ministries, their tax-deductible status, the johnson amendment, they want it repealed so they can engage in direct elections so he can go out and say vote for him, don't vote for him and maintain tax-exempt status they have to couch it, you should vote for whoever's last name rinds with green, feels like the right choice for you and ask your heart as opposed to being able to say we are telling you to vote for shannon so this is a tricky space, he is campaigning essentially ag...

>> mika said, donald trump said let it be an arms race. sean spicer tried to couch it. >> if there's going to be an arms race -- >> there's not going to be. >> but it says -- so be it -- >> there's hot reponot because ensure they get the message he won't allow that and they'll come to their senses and we'll all be just fine. >> my colleague, kristen welker, in west palm beach, florida, where the president-elect is spending the holidays. who do we believe? sean spicer, kellyanne conway or

Rights. >> antes abortion? >> anti-abortion. they couch it in terms of we want to do a 20-week abortion ban. but really it's about trying too close as many clinics in thet state. and this is going across the, th country where we have seen rights pulled back -- >> roughly the same number ofrto women are anti-abortion as men.e >> why should we allow the>> government into the conversation, into the decisionn we make with our doctor?to then when you look at the insurance -- >> because they believe it's's murder. >> in birth control, you have people up in arms because insurance companies will cover...

It's the same thing. but memo to you guys, they're already here. you don't have to fight them over there. they're here. the times square bomb er. >> larry: you think something else big is going to happen? >> i'm just saying they're already here and they're incited to violence. >> larry: are you giving up? how do you defeat terrorism? >> you don't ever defeat it. that's part of the problems that we couch it in terms of it's a war. we think a war has an end. it doesn't have an end any more than a police problem has an end. murder doesn't ever end. robbery doesn't ever end. you just contain it an...