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Aggressive after receiving the letter. >> from a legal perspective, glen, what do you think the goal of the trump team was for submitting this? >> alex, i think the main goal is really a public relations blitz. it really is hard to conceive of an argument that if they set up a kiosk at the front door of the white house, had people pay money to be pardoned, that somehow that would not be corrupt, criminal and the president couldn't be held accountable. of course i think we can all agree the president could and should be held accountable for such direct criminal behavior. if you accept that prop...

Without the president coming to her aide or giuliani coming to her aid. >> that's everyone who works in this administration. >> and choose to do it on a daily basis. no one is forcing them to do those jobs. we're hearing all this from giuliani. he says he couldn't be -- yet nothing from john mcgahn, nothing from emmitt flood, nothing from sekulow. is it that rudy's the new face guy and those guys are doing the work? >> i think this was, you know, concocted by the president and rudy giuliani sitting together and making a decision to go out and let him make this statement. i think it was a disas...

Am, was surely watching. and rupert murdoch watched the creature that he created. the man who never would have squeaked out a win in the electoral college without the full support of fox news, the president who had rupert murdoch at his first state dinner. rupert murdoch was watching that president sink deeper and deeper into a public display of madness and get himself deeper and deeper into legal trouble, which our first guest tonight, michael avenatti, was already analyzing on morning joe on this network while the president was still talking on fox news. but donald trump couldn't be stopped ...

Daniels that's significant and is really put michael cohen in serious peril. >> chuck and i talked last week, there were some theories posited that simple bribery around the recrafting of the republican platform, the change to a more pro-putin plank around i think it was ukraine, could be something -- >> that wouldn't be under mueller? >> it could or couldn't be. but you're talking about crimes that are in the mueller probe, crimes that are outside the mueller probe. there may be new york state investigations. i think we're just talking about a massive criminal enterprise by that statement. >>...

The connections that go to russia and the lobbying efforts they did on behalf of prorussian interest in ukraine. >> we hear about paul manafort a lot and rick begates a lot. we're not hearing the big flana. we're not hearing about jared kushner or other close advisors along side donald trump. we're not hearing about mike flynn any longer. we're also not hearing a lot about roger stone. we are hearing about it but not robert mueller interview roger stone. so far he has not been interviewed. why could that be or could that be bad news for stone? >> it could be and it couldn't be. the thing about...