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Hoax. that was a democrat hoax. a democrat hoax. >> so often he has brought this up when he hasn't been asked directly about it. i wonder what a trump presidency looks like without this as a talking point? >> i don't think we'll know without a legal investigation of some sort going on. it appears we'll be in for four years of. . but the whole notion, i think why there's such a mystery here. okay. if you wake up tomorrow and say, nobody got indicted for collusion. therefore, the white house can claim victory. think of this. think if there had been a secret mueller probe and one morning we wake ...

Saying no collusion, no collusion. for him only the completely silent since this report dropped. what does that tell you? >> i guess it tells us that every weekend, we should have a 6 600-page report and lawyers to stop him from tweeting. he's not sure exactly what's in this report. david gergen talked but to the narrative contained in it and that's violent. there will be no more indictments. we don't know exactly what mr. mueller's learned in this long investigation. we certainly don't know what everyone has told him. if we get the details, proit further insight into the campaign and the peop...

Made public. moments after the discussion ended, i spoke to one of the leading democrats participating in today's call. here's my conversation with john guard mendi of california. >> we've seen cohen, mueller, guilty pleas, indictments, now we'll see the couldn't collusion. we can be patient for one day but really it is the american public. it is not the democrats that are demanding that everything be made public. everyone wants to know what this is all about and draw their own conclusions. >> what does it tell you about how much of mueller's report barr plans to reveal? >> well, whatever he p...

Collusion which was at the heart of this investigation. and no one will be indied for that. but the details matter. we're looking for the narrative. what really happened? there are so many mysteries still unsolved about the that he can you' can, the peculiarity of this. why is a president of the united states talking about putin. >> we've seen over the course of the past couple years, he has really crafted a picture. he was indicting these 37 entities. we know that the white house has at least leading up to this moment said they want a chance to look at this report. to make sure they can weigh...

Between the president and the campaign. then it was there was no contacts planned. then it was there were some contacts but they were not with the campaign. they went on to say there were some contacts but they were not even iffingful. that's just the start. you'll remember the president ultimately would say collusion is not a crime. he would say he couldn't collusion because he didn't have any direction rich to va relati putin. now the president didn't collude but it's possible scope omeone s campaign colluded. a watering down of their denials as they try to separate the president from this. ...