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Left, when he resigned, you said he was treated horribly and you felt bad about that. given what we now are seeing on the payments from turkey and russia, would you stand by that comment? >> let me just tell you, i do feel badly for him. he served the country. he was a general. but just remember, he was approved by the obama administration at the highest level. and when they say we didn't vet, well, obama i guess didn't vet because he was approved at the highest level of security by the obama administration. >> joining the discussion now, rick stengel, former undersecretary of state for public...

Rick stengel, former undersecretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs. he is also an msnbc political analyst and evan siegfried is back with us. rick, the president said i do feel badly for him. what does -- he fired him. what does he feel badly for him for? >> i don't know. >> okay. so i'm not the only one who couldn't follow. >> yes. i'm not even interested. >> what about the obama administration approved his security clearance? >> well, it's absolutely absurd. the obama administration fired michael flynn in 2014 for all kinds of reasons. now if donald trump, i believe he was ...

The death penalty there i think he almost certainly will. that will be in the penalty phase. here in the guilt phase i think the defense lawyers worry that by putting on ed here they could just insult the jury's intelligence. this is not a who done it. this is not a mystery about who did this shooting. >> this is a "if he gets put to death." >> right. and that will be a separate -- the way death penalty cases work is you have the guilt face which is concluding and it's a foregone conclusion what the result will be and then they'll move to the penalty phase and there will be some kind of strate...

Reform. you have said yourself the president did nothing with it. maybe use it for toilet paper, i don't know. speaking of big ball, he has played big ball. he showed us his big ball. it's called obamacare. it's been a big disaster. >> how do you know? >> and why doesn't he talk about the keystone pipeline. it would have been amazing last night, i think, as a conservative, for him to come out in favor of the keystone pipeline. he would have knocked everybody on the floor, jaws would have been on the floor. he would have said i'm sending it to congress, sign it, have it back to me, and have a r...

That you had the first time around, which just makes the whole trial less colorful. also rod blagojevich is not giving out as many interviews that. >> shepard: loved it. >> it's just reruns, nothing new. >> shepard: except my understanding is that the prosecution is going to organize its case differently, because so many jurors said they couldn't follow. >> yes. they streamlined the case. they dropped some of the charges. most of the focus is on the sensational charge of blagojevich trying to sell barack obama's senate seat after he was elected president, because he did have the power to appoi...