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At least one of them seems to have drawn a bigger crowd than president trump. >> these last months of our campaign have seen the gathering of strength of a real movement across this country. it's evident in the size of these crowds like this tonight. my goodness. >> that's mitt romney in the very same arena in 2012 acknowledging what politico called a rambunctious crowd of -- wait for it -- 12,100. that is over capacity and 600 over the deputy fire marshal's estimate of president trump's rally last week. because the president has pointed out several times now there were supporters outside the ...

>> i agree. >> some crimes are committed with these guns. >> what it said was we can't -- after what they said was the final report on it is we cannot, there is a drop in crime but we can't link that to this ban because it's not really a ban because there are so many assault weapons out there and people who couldn't get assault weapons went and got other weapons with high capacity magazines. that's what the final report said. it said had the ban lasted longer, maybe we could study long-term as these guns age and new guns aren't being brought in but essentially said they couldn't come to a dete...

This alien get a pump shotgun or ar-15? >> we had an assault weapons ban in this country and the institution, the urban institution was charged with looking as to whether it reduced crime. we actually can't make a designificad decision -- >> i agree. >> some crimes are committed with these guns. >> what it said was we can't -- after what they said was the final report on it is we cannot, there is a drop in crime but we can't link that to this ban because it's not really a ban because there are so many assault weapons out there and people who couldn't get assault weapons went and got other weap...

But it is absolutely no way to run the government. it's no way to run a small business or a large business or a television network because there's no authority. >> there's no e.t.a., by the way. i'm sorry. you wouldn't have that because you wouldn't know who is in charge. >> how often, with all due respect, how often did you listen to the substitute teacher? >> exactly. point exactly. fill ruecker, there are people in the white house that are concerned about this. but they also sort of shrug their shoulders and say you try recreting people for this administration? >> we've seen from the very b...

Security. >> and now people will accuse us of having something other than water in our cups. chuck, i want to ask you a question on this front. could robert mueller be asked to explain if the in fact manafort blew up the agreement, if that got in the way of getting to the bottom of whether or not there was a conspiracy between the russians and trump agents in the orbit? >> sure. the fact in the report itself, nicolle, the report talks about things they couldn't get. there's information from overseas they couldn't get. some people chose not to cooperate. or lied to them. so the fact that manafo...