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Impeachment, you can still be tried criminally. in article 1. the problem is that article -- that same argument would mean the president couldn't pardon anyone in his administration from vice president to cabinet members who are subject to impeachment. >> so, norm, didn't they look into this during the nixon white house? >> they did. the office of legal counsel looked at it four days before nixon resigned. of course, those are nixon's lawyers. and they determined that a president cannot pardon himself. if you go back, jonathan, to these debates -- well, not at olc, there was not. not at olc. o...

Transcendence over the judicial process and i think that where norm's arguments fall short is they would go too far. i mean, norm has argued, for example, that the constitution says that regardless of impeachment, you can still be tried criminally. in article 1. the problem is that article -- that same argument would mean the president couldn't pardon anyone in his administration from vice president to cabinet members who are subject to impeachment. >> so, norm, didn't they look into this during the nixon white house? >> they did. the office of legal counsel looked at it four days before nixon...