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And 2008 and he was unsuccessful. at that time cheney argued just the same thing. this iranian program is dangerous, we should use military action to go after it and president bush decided no. there's a real continuity between what george w. bush -- >> isn't he the real dr. strangelove here? i mean really? he always says bomb. >> the use of military power answers these problems. for most americans, the evidence of the invasion of iraq in 2003 is a counter example. people look back at that and say this is was a mistake. >> we gained iraq didn't we? >> essentially we did. cheney never anticipate...

David ignacious, had an interesting, frightening thought experiment he put forward on "morning joe." take a listen. >> i think it is useful to ask the reverse question. suppose he hadn't been released and it is a year from now. and american troops are getting ready to come home. you have this american sitting there in, ever more frequent propaganda videos from the tal -- taliban, the pressure on the president to act would be enormous. think about the alternative. >> michael, that was tuesday. isn't that a self-evident point that the president would have been under similar fury from opponents h...

Bergdahl in propaganda videos or harmed. >> he will get fury from people no matter what he does. you and i both know that. ignacious, counter example is a good one. i wrote a good onen a column i wrote earlier this week in which i said, suppose that on saturday, news broke not that bergdahl was freed and coming home but that he died in taliban hands. what do you think the republicans would be saying then? so, obama is never going to win with him. and graham in the sound you played earlier ratcheted things up in a pretty dramatic way. everybody should know he is an election. primary race, runni...

These left wing comments that he is raising. i need a counter example, i don't know any left wing pundits who talk about slavery or white nationalism who hurl the n word, whenever this stuff happens it tends to happen from the right. >> ben, do you have any examples? >> i think there was sarah palin, somebody once that said they should defecate in her mouth, do you not count that as extreme. both sides have extreme people? >> the argument -- >> let me finish my point. >> finish. >> they do say extreme things, including harry reid saying this guy is a domestic terrorist. that is how it gets rat...

Cities that were looking at abby that are in trouble, like detroit are doing very interesting things to recover. clearly new york is doing great but also dallas and houston. it's really a national trend. and if you look at what's happened with the are our natio treasures today. mayors can't afford to shut down their governments. they have to keep the garbage people collecting garbage and the cops on the streets. >> you mean they actually have to do their job? >> they have to do their jobs, abbey. >> talk to us about where financing fits into this. because cities and municipalities rely more on...