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About how russia uses its contacts. it builds networks to get information. do you see that in how they dealt with gates and manafort? >> yeah, i think, yes, absolutely, man a for the has a long record of contact with people that would have ended up you know back at moscow knowing about it the russian intelligent services knowing about it. i think paul manafort is the kind of guy based on his activities in ukraine for the puppet government and yanukovych, they would have said this guy would be useful later on, sure enough it turns out he is. he pointed out about flint he should have known bette...

350e up to people doing what's called an agent of influence. bend the president's ear and say we would like you to do this, that, or the other, being under the control of the russian government. it's a wide variety of different things that they might be looking for. but the fact that we continue to see and hear about more e-mails that come up from a counterintelligence perspective is concerning. it depends on whether or not it really rises to a legal issue or not. that's something that mueller and his team and i think others are looking at. simply from a counterintelligence analysis, it's conc...

An agent of influence, somebody that could bend the president's ear, all being under the control of the russian government. so it's a variety of things they're hooking for. but the fact that we continue to see and hear more e-mails is concerning. it depends on whether or not it rises to a legal issue or not. that's something that mueller and his team and others are looking for. but from a counterintelligence analysis, it's concerning. >> kirsten, it's so interesting that at this stage, given the length of time that's passed by, trump supporters will say there's still no there there. there may ...