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Spy within the intelligence committee versus an informant in an ongoing investigation, which i think is beyond the point. i want to play for you a sound bite from from jason chaffetz. >> if jeff sessions is there in name only, is absolutely worthless. the sooner the president needs a new attorney general, the better. he should have never recused himself, he never needed to any counterintelligence operation. >> laura: this is of course regarding the trump tweet today, commenting on what gowdy did say which many of us took note of, which is, you could have that in a top lawyer be the attorney ge...

Through all reliable sources that we can exactly who we are talking about. there are all kinds of names out there and all kinds of theories out there but if we are talking about somebody who was outside the campaign but questioning people connected to the campaign, to the semantics matter here? are we playing with semantics if we are saying somebody infiltrated the campaign, outside the campaign, those are important distinctions, or are they not? >> they are. and let's remember according to all the officials this is a counterintelligence operation, not a criminal investigation. our government ...

Confirm, we are talking about and all kinds of theories out there, somebody outside the campaign but questioning people connected to the campaign do semantics matter here? somebody infiltrated the campaign, those are important distinctions or are they not? >> they are. according to all the officials this was a counterintelligence operation, not a criminal investigation, can't afford each of the political candidates for the presidency. down to two, hillary clinton and donald trump they got secret service protection, briefings from the cia. if they were trying to protect the trump campaign from ...

That they didn't warn the president -- the then president-elect trump at the time about the russian efforts, and also it was public by that time when the russians were trying to do with our election so i do think that they warned the campaigns about this kind of thing. whether or not they went to mr. trump himself i just don't know, and perhaps that tells us something. i just don't know. >> do you think in the past that would have been normally the case if the fbi had information that lets say a presidential candidate obama, george bush or anyone may be the target of meddling, that they would ...

What the russians were doing. >> why isn't he happy about that? >> he should be. >> jesse: first of all, james clapper is on the view. i don't think the top intel guy for any team should be on the view. second of all, he just admitted they spied but they were trying to help president trump. president trump should thank them for spying on the campaign, right? >> jesse, one thing you said opening up and the question is, did the obama administration know about this, i don't believe for one minute they didn't know. i believe obama knew what was going on and his justice department knew what was goi...