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Kushner n his failure to disclose that connection on his security forms. it's a wide net and the fbi is probably going to go back a lot farther than 2017. >> they are now looking at financial crimes. your point is the portfolio of what investigators can look at is, you think that the signals are being sent and the reporting is fairly broad? >> yes, i think that, you know, when it com to this, if there was collusion, which i tend to not think is the case, but this nex nexus, it probably didn't occur just in 2017. we go back to the counterintelligence side, these are things that take years, oper...

Independent counsel? there's so much going on in the world. we still live in a dangerous and chaotic environment. i'm afraid in some cases, we haven't had the time to devote to some of those other concerns. there's this, and that is that the politics of this have become so partisan. i think many of us are relieved now, where we can put it to an independent counsel. mr. mueller has, i think, great confidence from both republicans and democr i think it's going to be good for us,o just let him take it now. we'll continue to work on a counterintelligence side, especially how we counter russia, but...

That's not been the only focus, but it should be the primary focus on the house side, that counterintelligence side and how do we protect ourselves? some of the more detailed subpoenas, that's best left now to mr. mueller. >> julie: i want to ask you one thing and it comes down to conflict of interest. chairman jason chaffetz has demanded records. he revealed yesterday that he is leaving at the end of june. my question to you is is there a conflict of interest here? as robert mueller must dig now into comey's firing. considering there were longtime friends. comey once referred to mueller as a ...

Person of legal mind and authority knows what a big deal that is. >> well, let's bring in the "hardball" roundtable. ayesha. ruth marcus, and howard fineman. i think we've got all the bases covered tonight. i guess the question is what hasn't been said today. howard, you were telling me something. i want you to get first shot at this. >> i think one of the motivating factors here is there is a grand jury involved now, and i think the basic strategy -- >> for flynn? >> yes. and the basic strategy here, like any investigation in washington usually, is to follow the money. this started out as a c...

Operator to ask yourself, under what conditions would members of the campaign be in touch with, i believe the allegations are the intelligence operatives but russians on the other side. raises a lot of questions and be with everybody else, only way to get to the bottom of this is serious investigation. having spent time on the counterintelligence side of things, you have to look at it. under what conditions have contacts. >> you said two scenarios. what are they? >> if you're talking about -- let's just take the topic de jure, general flynn, worst and best case. worst case is perhaps somehow t...