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Contrast, from mark meadows to steve bannon. >> representative schiff is 100% correct, so, you know, there was a difference between meadows and bannon in that bannon never even worked in the white house during the relevant events of january 6th, so the idea that he was acting by executive privilege is, you know, just a joke on its face. meadows, at least, was the white house chief of staff. but on the other hand, meadows wrote the book. he turned over this information, ayman, as you were saying a moment ago and now is saying, oh, but i can't talk about it and i think most importantly, meadows ...

January 6 became such an important day for would-be coup plotters to use that as a quasi-legal question about his upcoming presidency. there were no documented problems to support those allegations. there was no widespread fraud, nothing that affected the outcome of the votes in any of these states, but this person was with meadows pushing these conspiracy theories. maybe china took over the entire voting system and you could just get enough americans to believe that. or maybe venezuela's hugo chavez had voting machines that were used. it does look ridiculous on the screen at times, but this w...

Gets to make that call under nixon versus gsa. the former president just isn't in a position to do that. and then you say well, let's look at the documents to see if they are executive privileged. it doesn't matter. >> why should the former president be the one to make that determination? if we are looking at this as a who decides kind of question. is there a circumstance in which the former president ever gets to make this kind of call and why should he? >> so you can hear the skepticism there in the articulations of the judges on the receiving end of the former president's arguments. it appe...

Quickly enough. i think the clock is ticking. i think if we get to the election next year and there hasn't been clear action and the republicans win, they'll get rid of the january 6th committee. i think as we move towards 2024, the ability to prosecute a case that's got such political component's going to become much more difficult. so we've got a limited amount of time and furthermore, by not taking action against the coup plotters, trump, the people around him, the people who funded this we are enabling the people supporting them, which is really the whole gop leadership to essentially say ...

Learned just this week that some of the coup plotters were using burner phones when they're committing crimes. so they were committing a crime. they were attempting a coup against congress to interrupt the resolution of the 2020 election. so just sort of to end on a slightly more hopeful note, the battle for democracy is on, and it does have its defenders and all of us have to kind of buckle up and get ready for defining people in our politics, whether they're as either pro-democracy or anti-democracy, whatever party they're in. >> it is a precarious time. and i know we say this all the time, ...