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That the republican governors have not agreed to the medicaid expansion and that's what is causing the coverage gap? >> well, they wrote the plan that way, and states could opt inment they didn't have to and republicans are looking in the plan and done the numbers and they don't want their states to go bankrupt which will happen if they expand the medicaid program. >> how do we define success? 80 percent of the people who want coverage are able to get it on this website? what is our new bench mark for success. that is their bench mark 80 percent. in the beginning of november, the president sai...

Bigger issue is getting costs under control and that's going to be even more difficult. there are some things in the affordable care act that attempt to do that, but, the -- this short-term fix, i think, does address the concerns that i as a regulator would have and that the people falling through the cracks, going without coverage having the coverage gap because they can't get on the federal web site. and that's really what's caused, i think u the angst. if people had been able to get their cancellation notice and then go directly to the web site and see what was available for them i don't th...

But we got around them. our country does have a serious problem, however, with access to quality health insurance and it's not being caused by websites. all of the computer programmers in the world aren't going to be able to help the 180,000 hoosiers who fall into the affordable coverage gap because indiana isn't expanding its medicaid. of course that's nothing compared to georgia's 400,000 people who aren't going to get anything or florida's 760,000, and then of course there's texas. texas is always the best. and they're not going to be outdone. texas boasts 1,046,430 people who will simply g...

Change. they are 60 years old and under current proposals, they would wait to 65 plus several months on top of that. farther down the street, the changes could have a longer coverage gap to fill. they are a55 and could wait untl 66 or 67 or older. it could save money, but it just shifts costs to private insurance or employers in a less efficient way. >> we want to see improvements that actually lower health care costs, not simply change them, make seniors pay more for health care. >> now, one proposal could make seniors pay more simply if you make more, pay more. or what's called the means tes...

In order to avoid a finding that you have discriminated against minorities, sometimes they might have to take race into account and do a racial affirmative action. that gets some conservatives upset about this. this is kind of a perfect storm of affirmative action deferring to congress state's rights. >> can i jump in here? it's interesting, we have a powerful narrative that progress is inevitable. with respect to race, i think what we see is progress is more fitful. we have significant progress which we are seeing in the wake of the 2008 elections. since section 5 sits that that space, it rec...