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Changes. >> we heard donald trump say pre-existing conditions is one of the strongest assets of the program. he wants to keep this. how do you keep that if you're not going to keep the requirement that people have insurance? because insurance companies -- the whole point. the mandate then allowed them to be able to afford it, and for them to be onboard with the program? >> yeah. well, let me answer this as completely as i can, because it's a really important point. one is that, first of all, there would not be the protection that we've heard about in terms of people not being discriminated aga...

Choice as of january 1st other than to let her coverage lapse, roll the dice, pay the fine and hope for the best for her family. same thing with kay joiner. a small business owner in griffin, georgia, south of atlanta. recently got a notification that his policy premiums would increase by 70%. he couldn't find figure that he could afford. he's out there trying to make ends meet and create jobs and says that health insurance may be an expense he cannot afford. >> it was going to be well over 400 a month. i'm a single individual. i've got a business to run. i've got eight employers. i have to ma...

Plan to what she had. premiums will double. if she wants to stay within the premium window, her out of pocket expenses will skyrocket. she says she can't afford either option, so she has no choice but to let her coverage lapse, pay the penalty and roll the dice with her family's health care. >> my federal tax dollars will fund president obama's insurance plan, but yet he's going to fine me and penalize me for something that i can't afford to buy. it makes me very angry. >> reporter: she is very hot under the collar, no question about that. now, because of obamacare she has been able to keep he...

Have diabetes? can they get a decent policy at a decent price if they had those problems? >> not just in america. any american on an erisa plan is completely eliminated from any pre-existing conditions, statutes as long as they have been covered in the past, as long as they didn't let their coverage lapse. as rob said, you have to have skin in the game. >> but that's what a preexisting condition is. if you don't have policy you have to buy one. >> i can ask you this. >> can i ask my friend this. if this all worked so well in 1996, this is news to most americans but if did it, why did your side...

Don't let that plan drop you'll never be excluded based on pre-exists conditions. >> did it work? did people in georgia tell you when they have cancer or diabetes it works just fine and they don't get discriminated against because they have a preexisting condition? did it work? >> that's exactly right. what you're talking about and i understand -- it worked perfectly for those erisa plans. absolutely it did. it was great. you got to give us credit. >> just to follow can a georgian watching television right now get insured if they have cancer? can they get insured if they have diabetes? can the...