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The next ten years. they're playing a bit of a double game. >> wolf, i can also say that in looking at this and in talking to people who've studied it, there is a belief that politically this could fire on someone like donald trump that this could have a disprorgs at impact on lower class and poorer people. and it turns out that the medicaid expansion was more important to those people than the universal coverage, the coverage part of it. if they lose the medicaid, it could boomerang against republicans and the president. >> gloria, as you mentioned earlier, this could affect older voters, who...

That will benefit employers and i think in the long run make it more possible for them to continue to offer the insurance directly. >> you're saying if it uses the mechanisms that are in place in the law, particularly using medicare and medicaid payments to reform the ways that health care are delivered to put an emphasis on quality as opposed to essentially quality, that's going to bring costs down and help everyone. >> it should if we follow through with the implementation of the affordable care act on the delivery system reform side. the coverage part of the affordable care act is the chari...