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Paper. bill: based on that answer you hold the president responsible here clearly? >> i think the president needs to be very forceful about, he was very forceful coming out saying his folks didn't do it. great, that's fine. but now, mr. president, you need to say i will have full cooperation so you can look at my staff and the investigators can take the leads where they find them. given the senior level --. bill: why do you believe that has not happened? >> well i think i they were hoping it would just kind of go away. clearly somebody had senior level access, covert access, who had access to ...

Matters and we have to treat them serious. bill: you also know that the circle is small for those who are in the situation room. there are not many folks to point a finger at, are there? >> that list gets pretty small in a hurry and you can isolate those lists pretty quickly. there are others involved and sometimes that list can grow out. but as an investigator you always want to start where you know people had access and work your way out. if we're going to have to go through a long process of negotiation who gets interviewed and how long and how many times, or, if i can get all of the docume...