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This is just fantasy." going all along, imagine this blueprint. yeah, yeah, yeah. but they didn't do any act. not one overt act, which is required in federal court for conspiracy to convict him. and the fact is he thought creepy, bad thoughts. >> anne, he looked up a woman's name and he went to her neighborhood after making a plan to kidnap her fo $5,000. and let's change the facts a little bit. let's say the guy pretended to be fantasizing about blowing up a plane. then looked on the internet to see when the planes might be arriving. then he went to laguardia. would you honestly be debating w...

It's something that people at home don't need us to tell them it's something bad and a crime and judge won't like it. if you are convicted you're going to prison a long time. it's -- it's serious. and you know the question is just did he agree to do that? was there a concrete step which is called an overt act in furtherens of that conspiracy? it certainly -- it certainly ups the ante. if i was mueller i would be you know trying to do whatever i could to try to prove that you up. and if i was flynn or a lawyer for flynn or his son i would be very concerned about criminal liability. i would not ...

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