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Back when he was running for president in 2007 and 2008, one of the things that he ran on back then, one of the things that essentially made barack obama a viable candidate, among the slew of powerful democrats who also ran with him back then including then senator hillary clinton and one of the things that made him stand out was that he was against the iraq war from the get go. the campaign in 2008 ended up being a referendum on how we do war and how we wanted our country to do war in the future. >> i am proud that i opposed this war from the start. because i thought that it would lead to the...

Hillary clinton has not come out and addressed this head on. she is also not participating in the debate while she campaigns over the nomination for presidency. and the entire field will have to deal with this question because the elections during wartime are elections that are about foreign policy they are about counter terrorism. they are about how we choose to do war. president obama's first and second elections were referendums on the bush wars and what those wars did to our country. and this election in a way will be a referendum on what president obama has done, how he has conducted war....

And i think senator clinton was wrong in her judgments on that. >> i opposed going to war in iraq. senator mccain was one of washington's biggest supporters for the war. this is an area where senator cane and i have have a fundamental difference because i think the first question is whether we should have gone into the war in the first place. >> part of what won him the nomination against hillary clinton in 2008 was he was against the war and she was for it. and part of what won barack obama the general election against john mccain. part of what made him president of the united states was that...

Maybe we'll decide that this is -- you know, that that is not a moral problem. but i think we ought to talk about it. we're doing this in countries with which we're not at war. international law, there are questions about that. and the president says he has the authorization under the authorization to use military force against al qaeda. but i think that should be debated. >> what do you think though when you poll this question right now, it comes back very popular. >> yeah. sure. >> for the criticism that's been out there for the filibuster from rand paul a couple of years ago. this polls wel...

But war never goes as planned, not even war conducted by repeat control. gene, thanks for being with us. let's talk about this. there is a balancing act i still can't quite figure out when i think about this. one way of looking at this is saying that over the last two years because of the drone program we've had we've taken out an awful lot of bad guys out there. we have put a real dent in al qaeda because of this and have done that while paying a much lower cost in terms of casualties on our side than we normally or used to have been the case. >> that's absolutely the case. that's why this is...