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About social cost where a company or management makes a deliberate decision to pass costs on to the public, in this case to the devastation of the gulf of mexico, to make more money, what is your view about that in terms of criminality? >> well, chris, there's a big difference between a criminal act and a stupid act, and, you know, i'm not a lawyer either, but it looks to me like this was stupid rather than necessarily criminal. i mean, if laws are in place on the books, they may well be, i don't know about that, but -- but clearly i think as we go forward we might -- might tighten up the regu...

A very long time. >> let me go to professor overton, this whole question about social cost where a company or management makes a deliberate decision to pass costs on to the public, in this case to the devastation of the gulf of mexico, to make more money, what is your view about that in terms of criminality? >> well, chris, there's a big difference between a criminal act and a stupid act, and, you know, i'm not a lawyer either, but it looks to me like this was stupid rather than necessarily criminal. i mean, if laws are in place on the books, they may well be, i don't know about that, but -- b...

Yachting, one of the worst pr decisions in history. that isn't criminal, just stupid. quote. i like this because this is the best part of the brits. whether it's fair or unfair is not the point. i became the public face of the disaster and was demonized and vilified. bp cannot move on in the u.s. with me as its leader. sometimes you step off the pavement and get hit by a bus. did i make mistakes? of course i did, but would i have changed fundamentally what bp did and the role i played in it? i think the answer is no. very british, john hofmeister. i like that about the british, when something ...