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Reason, not the institution or anything like that. it exists to enforce the laws of the united states. that is simple. that is his job. and when people violate the laws of the united states like bannon is doing. you, you bring down the whole thing on him. it's simple. that's why they, that's why we have a justice department. >> mike? >> i could not agree more. i mean, leg irons, racket busters. grab them, haul them in. rule of law. if i were steve bannon, i would get off the right wing nut sites for a minute online and google cheney family. you know, if she had her way, she'd have him up side ...

They have the right to do it. and the cause is just. this is not another political squabble will people are throwing subpoenas around as a cpr trick. this is the real deal. and i think they'll get the federal cops and hall is ass in. -- trying to be cute about it. >> you guys are never boring, that's why we keep having you back, that's why we're lucky both gentlemen have agreed to stick around while we have a break. coming up, former president obama getting involved in the virginia governor's race, there is polling out there that explains why you bring in a big gun right about now. gun right a...

Was a huge and vital and important part of our family here at msnbc, doing something that was easy for him but hard for the rest of us, offering his staple direct, no-nonsense interviews and always asking all of his guests the hard questions. in his new memoir, "this country: my life in politics and history," chris matthews charts his american story through his life and career, talking deeply with abiding faith about where we've been and where he hopes we'll go. given the ongoing conversation on this program and over the last two hours about the insurrection at our nation's capitol, i want to ...

Unlicensed dealers. our clear definition of who is a dealer, stricter controls on dealers, reinstituting felony crime for falsifying records. currently if you walk into a dealer and audit that dealer and they're missing 1,000 guns, and this literally has happened, and they can't explain where the thousand guns went and you obviously know that they were sold somehow unlawfully, the most you can charge them with is a misdemeanor, and no u.s. attorney will charge a misdemeanor. there just isn't room for it in the federal court. >> you know, warren, if i could, think about the hipocrisy that you h...

No. but i think getting absolutely nothing done is even worse. i do think the president, the oldest pr trick in the book, if it's working, continue to make it work. after he went to the republican caucus, and literally stared them down and talked about their specifics, it really forces the republicans now to come to the table and say, you've got to do something other than -- >> the problem is, rich and john, what the president has put on the table is not popular with the country. i'm for it. a lot of people are for it. but the polling shows people don't like the way they've heard about it, joh...