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Born somewhere else. it wasn't a big deal in the 2008 campaign. it was a very minor thing. other smears and other that got more attention. after that election, there was this frantic drive, from people who supported hillary to write to elect tors and ask them not to certify obama and when it really blew up. then it was kind of in another world of the internet for a year or two and seemed like the republican party had marginalized it if for the purged it and donald trump brought it to the forefront this year. >> did any name brand person in the hillary campaign have anything with stirring this ...

Or this soup? >> no, not that i know. other crazy theories they were clinging to in the late days but this was not one of them. whitey tape was their crazy theory. >> what is that? oh, yeah. >> remember that? >> what was that about? let's not stir that up. let's let it die where it was. gene, you're an excellent analyst of this whole thing. i guess it did surprise me. i keep going back to the question of where did it come from? al gore in the campaign against dukakis. what does it mean? it means it actually doesn't matter where it starts. it starts with somebody who doesn't like whoever the ta...