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State department? was this something being discussed in the department of defense? >> doesn't appear that this was something that was being discussed at upper reaches of the u.s. government. and for trump to say, well, the taliban want this. and the taliban kind of deny it and say their negotiating position has not changed. indicates kind of a credibility gap between what the president says and what the actual truth is. and so he seemed to go a little over his skis but he does want the taliban to come to this position. but as we withdrawal u.s. troops, even without a deal, we're losing leverag...

Able to make a decision whether we should be going to war or not with iran. >> is she right? >> absolutely, don. i mean how can you possibly trust anything that you hear from a president who has lied at least 12,000 times since coming into office? >> is it that many now? >> it's actually, i think, above 12,000 by this point. as congresswoman omar says rightly, just about a week ago they were lying about the weather. they were falsifying information about a hurricane, so how can you trust them about something that could lead us into a war with iran? i mean they have a credibility gap the size o...

Able to make a decision whether we should be going to war or not with iran. >> is she right? >> absolutely, don. i mean how can you possibly trust anything that you hear from a president who has lied at least 12,000 times since coming into office? >> is it that many now? >> it's actually, i think, above 12,000 by this point. as congresswoman omar says rightly, just about a week ago they were lying about the weather. they were falsifying information about a hurricane, so how can you trust them about something that could lead us into a war with iran? i mean they have a credibility gap the size o...

>> the white house officials when they come forward and say the president is joking, that's all they got. they know something like it was said, they're going to say it was a joke. we heard that before, that's one of the deflect distract dodge divide tactics. the president has a fundamental credibility gap because he has a pattern of not telling the truth, and he's offered things like this in the past. we've seen this in previous stories. so the white house isn't dw denying, the president is. as he sees his legacy and re-election, don't take your eye off the ball. >> i appreciate you making tha...

Believe in at all even though he actually has a hand in why he's actually there? what are the risks of something like powell now that he may get backlash of the president of the united states? >> oh, helm but what's fascinating to consider is who thinks in terms of enemies? who thinks, well, this one's my enemy. this one's my enemy. i need a new enemy. this is really bizarre behavior, especially coming from a president. and you also have to wonder about the credibility gap in our entire society. what the society functions on is trust, is that people have trust in each other and trust for these...