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Witness's credibility, and they were right to do so. that witness does have a credibility issue, but of course so does the president of the united states. >> you can fairly say it's been a difficult 24 hours for this president. you had his longtime lawyer and fixer testifying on capitol hill to really a wave of lies and corruption. whether you believe him or not, that was the focus. then here you had what could only be described as a disappointing result to these negotiations, a second summit with the north korean leader. we have a lot more to talk about, and we're going to be right back after...

Coming out at risk to himself right now. if he lies to congress, he coface new charges. this is his peril, not his benefit necessarily. unless he's just going out and trying to rehab his reputation. remember though, i mean, the sdny sentencing memo for michael cohen you know this, was scathing, was scathing. they basically called all of this one big act. he is no hero. so you have that credibility issue. you have a man who is going to prison. you have a man who knows this president better than any of us do certainly who worked with him closely for ten years, has some receipts. he's going on ca...

Probably democrats will push him on a lot of these issues. can he kwaub rate claims he will be making this week in public and private testimony. >> we heard jim jordan who will be in there ranking on oversight who will focus on that a lot, the credibility issue here. let's talk about it with susan hennessy. with us garret graph who knows just about everything there is to know about robert mueller's probe except for seeing the final report. thank you both for being here. garret, to you, in the manafort memo that was succinct but scathing, it's obvious that mueller and his prosecutors are angr...

It would be handled differently? >> well, you know, at this point, we're kind of inured, as i said, to some of the crazy, frankly. but i think that when we look at -- i think you're asking about the opening of the investigation on the president, the counterintelligence and the obstruction of justice investigation. and i think the reporter that we just heard mention that andrew mccabe does have a credibility issue. he was fired from the fbi for lack of candor, and so that is something that has to be taken into account. so what i would say is, you know, investigations in the fbi are what are cal...

>> well, you know, at this point, we're kind of inured, as i said, to some of the crazy, frankly. but i think that when we look at -- i think you're asking about the opening of the investigation on the president, the counterintelligence and the obstruction of justice investigation. and i think the reporter that we just heard mention that andrew mccabe does have a credibility issue. he was fired from the fbi for lack of candor, and so that is something that has to be taken into account. so what i would say is, you know, investigations in the fbi are what are call predicated investigations. they...