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Someone who has legal experience, donald trump has been in more litigation than any president in american history, and how do they deal with someone who might actively try to evade doing the things that formally cross the line, if their goal might be an illegal outcome? >> well, look, people aren't so smart as they think they are, typically. but let me make one point here, too. they attack his credibility so much, yesterday, in these hearings, and people want to jump on him for that. but they don't -- they need to remember, the government didn't pick cohen as their witness, trump did. i mean, ...

But this is now him saying it under oath which is a big deal even for someone who has credibility problems like michael cohen. he's now trying to come clean and is saying that donald trump and roger stone had this conversation where roger stone said that wikileaks is going to drop damaging information and just days later, that happened. and just days after that, donald trump was out there publicly telling russia they should release hillary clinton's e-mails. it's worth noting that roger stone has denied he ever had this conversation pith donald trump about wikileaks. he continued to deny that ...

Republicans should not do today. focus instead on credibility. don't troll michael cohen. don't go after him or intimidate him or witness test him or whatever you want to call it. focus on the fact that leak many cooperating witnesses, michael cohen has credibility problems. you can say he lied before to congress. hough do we know he's not lying again now? and that alone should be the focus. don't jump in on the gaetz train. what is the objective here of michael cohen? we know he has delayed this thing over and over again because of shoulder surgery. yesterday i heard there is a possibility ...

Garrett, set the stage. we're less than 30 minutes from showtime. >> yeah, there's extraordinary expectation among members on capitol hill to get their hands on michael cohen. yes, he has enormous credibility problems with congress. he is going to jail in part because he lied to members of this body. forgive me for having my head on a swivel because some of these members are starting to arrive. i'd like to bring them into the conversation. the fact they have an opportunity to question someone who has been this close to president trump for this longing is too tantalizing for these lawmakers to ...

>> i don't think he'll be too tired. this is why it's so important we have as much as possible of this testimony in public before the cameras so the american people can mack up their mind. some people will not believe michael cohen, some will. the body politic is the ultimate judge and jury that he knows and will say about anything he says about the president and his inner circle. >> he may bring documents. we don't know what those documents are, whether they're trump financials or other situations to prove on the payments to the mistresses, et cetera, et cetera. he's go to weave this narrativ...