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>> and that's what michael cohen has testified to -- >> pleaded guilty to, yes. so it's up with thing to argue that a charged crime is not a crime. but when you have a sophisticated defendant with sophisticated -- >> who's a lawyer. >> who is himself a lawyer, pleading guilty, it's really, i think, a tough -- a tough argument that it is not a crime. >> i agree with that. i agree with that. but that is what we heard. matt schlapp, we heard it start -- we heard it bubble up yesterday at probably 8:00 a.m. and we were surprised to hear that, but it has continued to percolate since then. >> a crim...

They list out the evidence that they have here. david pecker, according to the "wall street journal," is also testifying to federal prosecutors that the president knew about all of this. i do want to move on to the discussion. still wearing your fbi hat, the president very critical of michael cohen, not for breaking the law. doesn't seem to have a problem with the idea that moen moichaen pleaded guilty to many crimes, or paul manafort, for that matter. his real issue is with flipping. >> it's called flipping and it almost ought to be illegal. you get ten years in jail, but if you say bad thing...

Accountability for president trump, even as more and more of those people who surrounded him, people he, himself, picked to have key roles, they face accountability in the court system and the like. but the president himself, not only at the moment faces no accountability, it's fascinating to watch his sort of un-reality show collide with the very difficult fact set he's now facing, which is the conviction of his former campaign chairman, the cooperation of his former lawyer and confidant with the authorities. listen to him say about paul manafort, well, not only is he a great guy and the prob...

Let's play it from this morning. >> are you considering pardoning puerto vallar -- paul manafort? >> i have great respect for what he's done, in terms of what he's gone through. he worked for ronald reagan for years, he worked for bob dole, i guess his firm worked for mccain. he worked for many, many people, many, many years. and i would say what he did, some of the charges they threw against him, every consultant, every lobbyist in washington probably does. if you look at hillary clinton's person, you take a look at the people that work for hillary clinton -- look at the crimes that clinton d...

Of the night overnight. all it said was no collusion, witch hunt. you know, this is a guy who despite the spin, despite the aggressive statements that he's giving in this fox interview, it seems to me that trump is sort of like richard nixon, shouting at the walls in the white house at this point. you know, he's like very, not only naive about the justice system, but basically, he doesn't seem to have much of a strategy beyond saying that crimes aren't crimes and, you know, i think that's what makes donald trump dangerous. if you look at his biography, and in the past, when he's made some of h...