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These witnesses who said manafort knew. it was manafort's deal. he was involved from day one. >> renato, in your experience, when a defendant is put on by the prosecution and says or a witness is put on by the prosecution and says yeah, i broke the laws, i committed crimes and i did it with this guy, just as you said, how effective is that in undercutting the defense's argument, which is how you can't trust this guy because he committed crimes, and he just admitted he committed crimes as he's got a deal? >> i think it's very effective because it takes away the th thunder from the cross-examine...

Giuliani devastated him on cross-examine. he then submitted a plea. there is another famous case where while the jury was out, they accepted a plea, and then the jury came back and acquitted. nonetheless, the guilty plea was accepted. so you can do it any time. >> thank you. john dean as well. we're going to talk to you in the next hour of "360." there is a lot more ahead tonight in this hour, including the question of why the president always seems to be at odds with the rest of his administration on russia's threat to his administration. if they've ever seen anything like this before. and ...

Returns, but that's rarely done. so gates will still be important. he will be easy pickings for a good cross-examiner because he's gotten the deal and he can be shown to have an interest in being -- stating testimony that would be acceptable to the prosecution. but if he has corroborated testimony and if he's corroborated by the accountant, then his testimony can be per sways alternative a jury. >> john, it is possible to make a deal once the trial start? >> absolutely. as the professor i'm sure could instruct us, and maybe in his own experience, i understand that you can you take a plea up to...

Person for perjury and of course with the case of president trump, you deal right away with the difficult question of whether or not you can indict a sitting president. now what you would do, you might try to humiliate him by showing he was lying. you can do that. but not like you can stop a grand jury and say we think you are lying. and we are taking you to the truth. >> they can get the person to reverse themselves. >> you can do that. you can question someone at the grand jury in whatever manner you want. you can treat them in a friendly. or treat them like a direct examination or treat it ...

Sitting president. now what you would do, you might try to humiliate him by showing he was lying. you can do that. but fot linot like you can stop grand jury and say we think you are lying. and we are taking you to the truth. >> they can get the person to reverse themselves. >> you can do that. you can question someone at the grand jury in whatever manner you want. you can treat them in a friendly. or treat them like a direct examination or treat it like a cross-examine. when i questioned president c n clinton, i treated like a cross examination. >> does that original lie still count as perjur...