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Was no ontrags, there were no arrests in new york at all. i believe none in los angeles, none across the country. so this in terms of the women's movement, i think is really important in terms of the kind of tone that they're setting, in terms of protests and civic engagement at the level of street protests. i also think this -- >> let me -- >> joy, it cannot be possible, it cannot be possible that we can send women to the moon and back and that we have no way to do actual crowd estimates in our country. this is ridiculous. we are spending all of this time giving any space to falsehoods that a...

Known photography, including crowd estimates from yesterday. cal is our msnbc senior news editor, and cal, have at it. >> all right, so just for viewers at home, why do we not have an official number in the reason we don't have an official number is the national parks service stopped doing it after the million man march in 1995. due to the difficulty in accurately assessing krout estimates for large events, we're not doing it anymore. okay, so let's play now a bite from sean spicer at that same press conference. he talks about the numbers. take a listen. >> we know that 420,000 people used the...

While hundreds of thousands of americans were on city streets across this country in part of an organized rally, a march, a protest, that happened in the white house briefing room. that was sean spicer, the new incoming white house press secretary. that followed remarks by the president that we'll get to later in this broadcast. but he essentially was relitigating the crowd estimates and the reporting on the inauguration yesterday, including you heard there criticizing a particular tweet of the vast universe on social media. so we asked cal perry to get our arms around the known facts and know...

Important moment as well that the first fight he decided to pick with the press was something that is so obviously debunked, at least if you're talking about the crowd sizes, not this other metric he seems to be talking about. >> mark preston, cnn does not give crowd estimates but we do have two pictures from 2009 and two from yesterday taken from the same location almost exactly at the same i'm. you can see the crowd size in 2009 versus the crowd size yesterday. that picture taken from the same location along the washington mall, looking towards the u.s. capitol, that says something. >> yeah,...

We need to mobilize. it's late. there are lots of millennials who didn't vote in this last election. and this could be sort of a the beginning of a call to arms. and i have to say, wolf, that i believe this was in the back of the president's mind when he went to the c.i.a. today. to talk about his support for the c.i.a. but then digressed dramatically into talking about the crowd size at his inauguration. because the comparisons will be made. about the crowd size here and around the country. compared to the crowd size yesterday at the inauguration. in his own mind. >> ryan, compare what we saw...