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Let on to it. they did it on a veil of secrecy. they were put in trains. they were told you are going to be resettled to a work camp. ultimately the end of their four-day voyage, there would be great plumes of flames that would go up to the sky. when they landed they were exhausted and tired. the germans are saying, out, out, out. but they didn't let on they were going to the gas chambers. they said you are going to take a shower. you are going to be disinfected. they took off their clothes. they were handed bars of soap. they put their clothes what they did have on hooks and said remember the...

>> it is, under our bill it goes totally debt payment so our -- there's a lot of belly aching in washington about the debt. my proposal is the only proposal offered before congress to actually pay off the debt. and -- >> neil: what kind of reaction have you gotten? >> well, we think that as the president's commission, which is just getting ready to meet, they're asking for proposals. we put ours on the table and introduced it in legislative language so people can read it. we want to hear the ups and downs. one thing we need is some ideas. our bill envisions cuts in entitlements, 1% to pay off ...