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Two different cities, this was a huge crisis and a lot of his advisers will privately admit this was a commander in chief moment that he did not need in realtime. >> in fact, to your point, he ultimately made it a fumble of his own making. i'm wondering what you're hearing about what are people in the white house actually saying about, you know, the rock star tweet and the president talking about beto o'rourke and his crowd sizes and -- >> he has -- the president, most of his aides will say the same thing they have said after every single one of these moments, it's not like we're not used to h...

It's i would say unbelievable, but it's completely believable and it's completely pathetic. >> yeah, well, people are who they are, anderson. we know who donald trump is. he's a very narcissistic person. he is very much consumed about how people think of him and, you know, we know from history that things like crowd sizes are important to him. i remember at the time of that el paso rally of his that he seemed a little bit rattled that there was this competing rally that might have been even larger than his own. and much different in tone. and he was a little perplexed and unhappy about that ev...

Before, the presidents didn't go to natural disasters. 2,000 people die in the johnstown national flood and the president didn't go. now all of the local areas have become nationalized. we watch them in realtime, you need that president to go and console and to reassure about action. you know when i think of fdr's first inaugural or lincoln's second, there were times of real sadness that we needed consolation, but they assured us they would act and that's the big thing that's left out, what are we going to do about this? >> a lot of things have changed over time, doris and the fact that the pr...

This baby will be growing up without either of his parents because his mother and father died shielding him from the gunfire in el paso. the baby had been discharged from the hospital. was brought back to meet the president. the family says they wanted to share their pain with the president which they have every right to do, but for the president to flash a thumbs up? >> you know, i rarely get angry, brooke. i'm not even going to look at the photo. i get so angry. because this is a man who utterly devoid of empathy that he bring a child back to get a photo op and a thumbs up sign. he's a man s...

Was to me, that was the most egregious thing, was that video that they -- i was like who signed off on that? why would they ever put something -- even if it was signed off on, wouldn't you say, are you sure you want to do this? go on, rick. sorry. >> don -- don, i've made a lot of political ads in my career and done a lot of things that are pretty much out there on the borderline of should we do this or not. this is one i would have said, no, bro. no. uh-uh. stop. this is a guy who would make a video of himself doing the thumbs up at 9/11. it's just disgusting. >> i thought it was, like, well,...