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Is that a fair way to look at it, that it was such a screw-up, that it may possibly not have been coordinated. >> we use sophisticated when we talk about terrorism plots. it doesn't have to be sophisticated because there are multiple pieces of coordination. it could be sophisticated for other reasons. in this case, this wasn't a sophisticated device. it was a crude device that wasn't going to work. so his capability was not that impressive. but his intent was very, very serious. we've got to split those two and look at each one. >> do we know -- mike, let me ask about, this because i guess whe...

They go back and look at any kind of communications with shahzad and overseas calls in the last days and weeks. >> no question there, retracing the footsteps of this suspect who did travel to pakistan last summer. they want to know who he talked with and met with. five people already picked up in pakistan. experts will tell you knowing this, knowing that about his background, they can now involve the pakistani authorities, which will be a huge source of intelligence and you're right. officials here just refuse to rule out. what they won't say is whether they think this is somebody acting at th...