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With russia when it comes to the international space station? as we speak to each other today, there is an esa italian astronaut on the international space station working alongside two russian astronauts, delivered to the space station by a russian rocket. you know, you're saying that's fine and we'll go on doing it. in fact, i believe you're saying we want to continue that cooperation all the way through to 2030, despite what putin's doing in ukraine. so how come you can continue to do that and have to abandon the mars mission? let me say we have not only abandoned the mars mission but also ...

The soyuz rocket programme, to take your astronauts and your equipment up into space. i mean, that was complacency, wasn't it? you can call it complacency. actually, it has served us very well for... not now. not now, but for more than ten years, we had another rocket... we have, actually, three classes of rocket, as we call it. the one that is transporting heavier satellites into space, called the ariane 5 today. then we have the one in the lower segment, which is vega. and then we have the medium segment, which is now soyuz, which was soyuz, i should say, which was serving us well. but, at t...

Also with a russian rocket. and i'm asking my member states, my politicians, is this right or should this change? in a word, do you think it will change, yes or no? it will... i will... i've been mandated by the ministers, and including president macron — who has written me a letter — to put a group of high level experts in place to ask exactly this question. these are not space people, these are people from society. journalists, economists... it's not exactly a decisive answer, but it's the answer i'm going to get. i'm coming back with options to the member states in november next year. j...

And earth observation, as you say, is looking at our planet, investigating climate change, sustainability, biodiversity and these aspects. so europe is never going to bother with talking of manned mission to mars? wait, wait. this is fundamental and i think this goes very well in line with the policies of the heads of states, heads of government of all european countries. everyone has declared climate change to be the biggest threat of everyone, of mankind, of the whole planet, and that's why europe has played a major role in pioneering this aspect, including in space. and that's what we do to...

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