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Wedlock. does that bother you, that number? >> that number is declining, first of all. i will say this very clearly, you can't legislate morality. when government comes in and tries to legislate how people think about any topic, that's when we start having more problems. we can try to educate, we can try to support families, we can try to support church groups. we can support schools, we can support synagogues, mosques, and that's how we can teach a lot of things. but we try to legislate what happens in those areas, it's a slippery slope. >> tucker: my question is, do think it's bad, that's it...

Wedlock. does that bother you, that number? >> that number is declining, first of all. i will say this very clearly, you can't legislate morality. when government comes in and tries to legislate how people think about any topic, that's when we start having more problems. we can try to educate, we can try to support families, we can try to support church groups. we can support schools, we can support synagogues, mosques, and that's how we can teach a lot of things. but we try to legislate what happens in those areas, it's a slippery slope. >> tucker: my question is, do think it's bad, that's it...

Victim, however, sexual abuse victims carry that burden and it's not something easy to release, to let go of and to understand to wendy's point. for hollywood, what type of justice is this indication? this type of hollywood justice of being kicked out of the academy mean? >> well, i think it's more of what happens going forward and how the culture changes. we've seen all the figures and how women are so underrepresented in hollywood from behind the cameras to in the board rooms to at the higher et echelons of people making green light decisions. we've been talking about it for years. the stats...

Against their viewers? no, it's synonymous. ailes created that, murdoch created that. it's vindictive. of course, it's synonymous with the workplace. you can't do both. >> jamal made a really important statement for people to understand. let's assume they bring in a woman as the head of fox. >> that doesn't mean anything, it could be sarah palin, you know? a woman or minority at the head of fox does not mean that the culture changes. it depends on who the person is. are they having people at the top that are loyal to roger ailes? fox needs to make a decision, what do we stand for? and how do w...

They're moving in the wrong direction. there needs to be a recognition in our culture, in our policy. what's important about this is politics can be upstream from culture. the discourse we have as a political group definitely affects the way that our culture changes and the way that our culture, my white working class culture responds to some of these changes, so to b reret's point, we have to reject the rhetoric of trump, but recognize there are complex factors that have to be dealt with and wisely. >> thank you all. fascinating conversation. we'll of course be watching on tuesday. trump econ...