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Pastor kenneth copeland and a televangelist and a member of president trump's evangelical advisory board and he's used his tv platform to preach for trump for years. >> you're going to be held seriously, seriously to account by god if you don't vote. i mean, we could have another eight years of hillary clinton and the worst mess that anybody could make out of a nation. >> like many big time televangelists, kenneth copeland has upzed his position to live a pretty curby lifestyle and for some reason he has four, yes, four private jets, one, two, three, four. a bit of scrutiny about that and when...

>> you're going to be held seriously, seriously to account by god if you don't vote. i mean, we could have another eight years of hillary clinton and the worst mess that anybody could make out of a nation. >> like many big time televangelists, kenneth copeland has upzed his position to live a pretty curby lifestyle and for some reason he has four, yes, four private jets, one, two, three, four. a bit of scrutiny about that and when a reporter from inn side edition caught up to ask him about it, well, hold on tight. >> isn't it true that you want to fly commercial so that you can fly in luxury? ...

Leave his plush d.c. office or his brand new second home on the lake if he was flown around on a curby private jet like a billionaire master of the universe. that sounds snarky. why now? why not put this all behind them for the good of the party, for the good of putting a cohesive platform together for 2020? >> well, a lot of clinton people just hold grudges and most americans didn't know that bernie sanders who talks a lot about the environment and fighting climate change and, you know, he's against wealth and equality, that he has been flying on a private jet for a number of different stints...

But to your point, joao, that's exactly it. because he's had this curby relationship not just with "the new york times" b but all the new york city papers. >> that was one thing he was really good at. >> they never delve deep until into his presidency. >> god rest his soul, wayne barrett, a real exception. up next, more stories that fell down the memory hole including, and this actually i had to prod my memory reading the skrimt. the cdc director who resigned over buying tobacco stocks. that's next. ♪ do you want to take the path or the shortcut? not too fast. (vo) you do more than protect p...

She's a teacher instructing england's next generation of youngsters in math. she joins me now. i read you for years. you had this column which was on business culture. it was a column that every executive read, ceos must have talked to you about it. you were in this giddy world where you were a horse whisperer to ceos and writing for the financial times. you quit it all at the point where your column was at its most influential. why? why to go become a trainee? >> i just had done it for too long. you are right, i had this amazing platform. i found a job i could do, something i was good at. but...