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Activity "this activity by russian intelligence services is part of a decade-long campaign of cyber-enabled operations directed at the u.s. government and its citizens." does this statement or even through your sources reveal that this perhaps just exemplifies the more public reaction that the u.s. has brought but not necessarily that it's the first? the other reactions u.s. may have had over the ten-year period may have been quiet. it wasn't made public like this today exemplifies. >> that's right. from talking to official wes know the u.s. has been doing the same activity. one of the things ...

Outposts. it was serious business. now what you have is that non-physicality of cyber threats, where it -- they're even called in the early stages stealth operations. the better you are, the less people know you're conducting them. and then it turns into cyber warfare in conjunction with conventional warfare and straight out cyber warfare. you can seed mayhem and seed confusion and distrust without anyone knowing where it's coming from if you do it right. that's why i think the deterrence for this kind of a war and much more important. because when it gets into the society itself, when the att...