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Deputy advisor to president clinton. both of you before i ask you a question i want to make it clear. this is a debate we keep having. everyone believes if russia did in fact hack and effect the outcome of our elections it's a bad thing and they need to be sanctioned. i will start with you, congressman, don't we need to have the hard proof, the evidence first? >> well, i think it's also important to know what they're actually accused of. they did not hack into our voting systems. they hacked people's emails who were involved in the political process like john podesta. it's important, it's note...

Clinton. both of you before i ask you a question i want to make it clear. this is a debate we keep having. everyone believes if russia did in fact hack and effect the outcome of our elections it's a bad thing and they need to be sanctioned. i will start with you, congressman, don't we need to have the hard proof, the evidence first? >> well, i think it's also important to know what they're actually accused of. they did not hack into our voting systems. they hacked people's emails who were involved in the political process like john podesta. it's important, it's noteworthy. but it really follow...

Happened under president obama's watch. he had to send a message that he will not tolerate the cyber security attacks. it is not poe lit sized. i served in his staff as campaign director in 2008, and then i served under him when he was my commander and chief in the army. i feel like he is just looking out for us. >> but it cut put the president-elect in a difficult situation. he reverses the sanctions and it puts in jeopardy his restart and going down a new road with them. >> i suppose. listen, if he has been our protector in chief, he did a lousy job for cyber security. we knew about this, th...

Welcome president jinping this week, the u.s. economy is arguably more dependent on china than when mr. obama took office, as judged by our overall trade deficit, the composition of our export market or chinese holdings of u.s. treasury bonds. such trends led michael pillsbury to write about china's ability to export in global power. >> our efforts to improve their human rights record and turn to democracy elections, stopping the cyber security attacks. this long list of issues. we just don't have the leverage we had back in the '80s when we did not use it. we were too optimistic china would t...

Welcome president jinping this week, the u.s. economy is arguably more dependent on china than when mr. obama took office, as judged by our overall trade deficit, the composition of our export market or chinese holdings of u.s. treasury bonds. such trends led michael pillsbury to write about china's ability to export in global power. >> our efforts to improve their human rights record and turn to democracy elections, stopping the cyber security attacks. this long list of issues. we just don't have the leverage we had back in the '80s when we did not use it. we were too optimistic china would t...