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Adjudicated by a judge as mentally deficient he would not have been on the list. >> that makes it difficult. you take orlando shooting, he had been on the terrorist watch list he had gone off of it. if you have a law that says if a person purchases is gun that has been on the terrorist watch list, the fbi should be notified so they can double check. should he go back on the terrorist watch list if that had been the law, he would have never gotten that high kal ber weapon that he killed 59 people. >> we have to keep trying. thank you, so much. i respect you a lot. bill nelson of florida. >> tha...

Use the tools, call them what they are, a cyber weapon, right? to use that it would need putin's approval to do it. why there's increasing confidence. you heard from donald trump, to be clear, first we've heard of all this. not true. fingered russia a month before the election. and idea of poutin involved, no out of the thin air, believed some time and more intelligence to lead them in that direction. >> even before october, even though the government hadn't come out and said, hey, this is russia, there was an idea that's where it was going. the retaliation the president is talking about. what...

Short tempered. >> bret: peres did not want to talk at all of the recent news story of u.s. and israeli efforts to use cyber weapon against iran, the stusnex virus and he called the leaks from the u.s. troubling. >> yes, i am concerned but i wouldn't discuss it publicly. it's counterproductive. i think it shouldn't be done. security measures should end shortly the am big guty of their strengths. >> bret: president peres will have a are request for release of jonathan pollard. israeli turned american agent everyone ising life sentence for passing classified information to israel. he has served ...

The secrecy of both programs particularly the cyber program to not discuss it. so the united states has never acknowledged ever using a cyber weapon. for drones, you can't deny it. i mean, you see the result. >> yeah, but it's also a question as to how the president's constituents deal with this. steve, we've talked about the very uncomfortable position i think this puts a lot of folks on the left. there have been to some degree a lack of discussion about this i think because it's hard for people to wrap their heads around. this idea that president obama's continuing and in some cases amplifyi...

As you say, nuclear weapons took us 20 years to figure out what the rules were and there were people who wanted to use the nuclear weapons and mcarthur wanted to use them against china in the korean war and in the cuban missile crisis there was an argument to president kennedy to use them against the soviet union and decided it could not be used. the predator we use every week. last night a predator attack that is believed to have caused at least 14 deaths in pakistan. there have been a number of these in pakistan. cyber falls somewhere in between, but we haven't had the debate about when you ...