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Statement is in the presence tense, sarah sanders referred to that statement, how big a deal is this? >> it is potentially a big deal but it is important that we put the times story in perspective. there is nothing unlawful about a lawyer discussing pardons. that is the power of the presidency. where there could be trouble is if there was some sort of promise implied or given to witnesses in the mueller investigation that if you don't cooperate you will get a pardon. >> professor dershowitz do you agree with that? can the president float that idea? >> i think there are two issues. the presiden...

Reporting that dowd floated the pardon ideas to attorneys for manafort last summer. what else was he doing at that time? well, he was denying he was doing what the times and the post today reported he was doing. discussing pardons. take a look at cnn's coverage last year. >> the "washington post" reports the legal team for the president is also investigating or taking a look at issues related to pardoning potentially his aides and family members and the report does say that the president has even acquired about the ability to pardon himself. when asked about it, the president's lawyer called t...

Your understanding of how these conversations came about? >> what we reported was that the last year, the president's lawyer at the time, john dowd, reached out on at least two occasions to two different lawyers for paul manafort and michael flynn. this happened the middle of last year before first of all, michael flynn accept ad plea agreement bob mueller. and before paul manafort was indicted. the exact substance of the conversations is still a little unclear. we know the subject of pardons was broached. what we don't know is how much these pardon offers remain as an offer of perhaps both wi...

Happened. nothing on pardons. now at the time, raft july that would not be true which may be why today's white house briefing sarah sanders appeared to be especially careful to only speak with pardons in the present tense. are pardons on the table for anyone involved in the russia probe? >> i would refer you back to the statement from ty cobb in the report that you're asking about in which he said, i've only been asked about pardons by the press and i have routinely responded on the record that no pardons are under consideration or under discussion at the white house. >> can you say unegive ...