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Around so that the point that daniel is making and daniel i want to go back to you on this, you're not a political strategist, but what is it that you think we can do as democrats. i'll just ask it from the perspective of my party, what is it that we can do as democrats to make sure the argument that you're making about how to strengthen our trade policies and make sure the benefits are enjoyed by working folks can actually be more resonant politically. >> you have to point out the management with which the trump white house rolled this out. which is to say, even if you think that protectionis...

Missile defenses. there are no bad defenses here. they work. they just tested one firing a missile to hawaii back from alaska. and they got it. so we have to think about putting in place active defensive measures without which, you know, the whole notion about taking cover is sort of silly. >> so, daniel, assuming we can do better than telling people to park their cars and lie flat, i know you're of the mind that there were a few bright spots, a few -- little bit of room for optimism in what happened here. why is that? >> well, i agree with general mccaffrey that in some ways the interesting t...

The lay on the floor and this is not a drill part. for 38 harrowing minutes on a saturday morning, upwards of a million people had reason to believe they might be living out their last moments on the great planet earth. finally a follow-up alert was sent out making clear there was no threat, but the whole false exercise has left a whole lot of folks wondering and worrying about the possibility of an accidental retaliation someday. we have two gentlemen here to talk about this tonight. from honolulu, former member of the national security council with vast experience in the pacific region, and ...

Sort of silly. >> so, daniel, assuming we can do better than tell people to park their cars and lie flat, i know you're of the mind that there were a few bright spots, a few -- a little bit of room for optimism in what happened here. why is that? >> well, i agree with general mccaffrey that in some ways the interesting thing about this episode was just how easy it was to trigger this false alarm. and i think given that it happened -- and i'm obviously extremely sad that it happened, you can argue it was a successful failure in the following sense. first, what strikes me as miraculous is despit...

Exercise has left a whole lot of folks wondering and worrying about the possibility of an accidental retaliation someday. we have two gentlemen here to talk about this tonight. from honolulu, retired four star u.s. army general barry mccaffrey, a decorated combat veteran of two wars with vast experience in the pacific region. and we welcome to our broadcast daniel dresner, the author of several books and most recently has written about the tenure of h.r. mcmaster as national security adviser. welcome to you both. general, i'm going to start with you because not to lessen this with this phrase,...