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These devices are just meant to cause fear. >> laura: chuck todd on msnbc said this today. >> i have this fear it could be some russian operation designed to do what is happening now. >> laura: danny, russians. >> the russian make good bombs. this is not a bomb. it's a fake. it's a prop. the motive we will find out. the fbi will find this guy. there is so much opportunity to collect evidence and they have so many devices that are intact. they will take them apart and they will trace the components back to the guy who built it. >> laura: thank you very much. could then the end of the line for l...

Tripwire, we said there is no way that device would function. when we looked at the pictures of the device itself, it looked mickey mouse. it was very crude. a pipe with a red and black wire. very hollywood. like in a movie. and the timer. none of that would be what a real bomber would want to do. if it was a real bomber, he would be a victim. a timer is not an effective means of deployment. >> laura: danny, governor cuomo said something different about this device.

Exploding. the others have yet to be analyzed. what might any of this tell us about the motive and the skill of the perpetrator? has this been hyped or in the caution warranted? joining us is danny collison. the lead agent investigate the oklahoma state bombing and ryan. ryan, what can we take away from the fact that these devices to be all duds? >> well, laura, i have 24 years as a police officer. i have been a bomb squad commander and explosive specialist with the department of homeland security. i looked at thousands of x-rays. when i saw the x-ray put out to the media, immediately, people ...

>> it is wrong to say in my opinion that these are fake bombs. there is a question as to whether or not the bombs were designed to detonate. or to intimidate. the question is the motivation. >> laura: danny? >> that's laughable. i commanded the oklahoma city bombing investigation. i was the victim of an ied. this guy had no intention of these things going off. this looks like a movie prop. then what is the purpose? i tend to believe that the purpose is not to hurt anybody. these things are not capable of injurying people. that's verified the technician that examined them.

I think it's theatre and messaging. it's almost a joke. it's not a joke because we take it seriously. this is not a bomb. it doesn't have the components of's bomb. no bomber makes a bomb out of that pipe because it doesn't restrict the explosion and cause it to hurt people. it looks like a movie prop designed for theater. it's like a firebug that sets a fire. it's a message. i think that's what we will find out once the fbi and nypd resolve this thing. >> laura: danny, i was talking to a friend of mine who is always on the israeli message boards. he said the guys who do the stuff you guys do i...