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Difficult case to make. i am not surprised that they are make it go again, jeffrey would know more than i do. but not an argument that it seems likely to succeed. essentially, playing for time for lack of a better way of putting it which is kicking the can down the road and daring mueller essentially to subpoena them and see what happens. and after, that i don't think that they have a whole lot of legal argument to make. we are, as jeffrey said, in other charted argument. >> much more on this discussion and breaking news when we return. # ...you could learn you're from ireland... ...donegal, i...

The court? >> right. and i think that it's a difficult case to make. i'm not surprised they're making it again. jeffrey would know more than i do. it's not an argument that seems likely to succeed. i think you are reaching the stage of this in terms of what trump's lawyers are looking at, which is essentially playing for time for lack of a better way of putting it, which is just kicking the can down the road and daring mueller essentially to subpoena them and then see what happens. and after that, i don't think they have a whole lot of legal argument to make. again, we are, as jeffrey said, in...

Larger threat to the country, our electoral system. he only sees it in terms of whether he is being criticized. he only sees it as an excuse by the democrats. nobody else sees it that way. even delayed reaction of twitter and facebook recognizes this was a serious threat but not the president of the united states, who may not be calling it a hoax openly but what he's really doing is sending out signals, daring mueller to bring anything. if he doesn't have something significant, that he's going to run on this and say, you see, the entire government was against me. it was all ridiculous and an e...

It was highly unappropriate and wrong. president trump further closing the door tonight to the idea of sitting down for an interview with robert mueller. >> let him write his report. we did nothing. there's no collusion. but if he's doing an honest report he'd write it on the other side. >> reporter: after saying for months he wants to testify, the president essentially daring mueller the move without him. leaving the white house for a fund raising trip to new york, the president talking for the first time in days about the russia investigation. and mincing no words about the special counsel. ...