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Let the chips fall where they may. >> cohen and avenatti on the same side, eliana, do you buy it for a second or is this just great pr for both of them? >> i think it's more the latter than the former, erin. i would note that michael cohen, somebody who has surreptitiously taped his client and been pretty public about turning on him doesn't seem like somebody waiting in a dark forest for donald trump to rescue him. i think michael avenatti has been far more successful trolling donald trump in the media and running a sort of media campaign against him that gins of his base than he actually has ...

So nobody took responsibility. being in that situation where no one takes responsibility in this government at all means that you're standing in a dark forest at night when it's raining and it's cold and you're lost. everybody you talk to, yeah, yeah, but you know, he was drunk and we have a lot of drunks here. let me tell you, the guy shouldn't have been there at that time. he shouldn't have been there. we have many opportunities to get him out. so what is happening? or representative is the president and the vice president. they took us in. we're going to fight this battle. we're going to wi...

Do you believe that was proper true soviet fear that there was a right wing conspiracy in this country that led to the assassination? >> well, you know, fear is often projection. and i think the soviets worried about that in their own country and i think they probably looked at the united states and wondered. you know, seven days in may was not that remote a possibility. >> right. >> in those days. the other thing i think that's a big part of all these documents, kind of a unifying denominator is that this is a dark forest, right. the early 60s is a dark forest in american politics. you think ...

Favor of that as well. he served and the navy, axelrod would go into these meetings during the -- >> bret: not occasionally, he was a regular factor in the administration. >> fair. i don't think that is enough of a reason to ensconced bannon officially on that committee, on par with the secretary of state. >> bret: is a part that there is this ominous portrayal of bannon and has passed time at breitbart, what his role is with the president? the president can name whoever he wants to on that committee. >> i think there is a little bit of hypocrisy on the democratic side on this. it is not that ...

Favor of that as well. he served and the navy, axelrod would go into these meetings during the -- >> bret: not occasionally, he was a regular factor in the administration. >> fair. i don't think that is enough of a reason to ensconced bannon officially on that committee, on par with the secretary of state. >> bret: is a part that there is this ominous portrayal of bannon and has passed time at breitbart, what his role is with the president? the president can name whoever he wants to on that committee. >> i think there is a little bit of hypocrisy on the democratic side on this. it is not that ...