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Beginning to emerge. and it was more complicated. >> you are a young -- 29 years old when you became deputy crown prince. very impulsive. not very experienced young man who had some very dangerous, dark impulses. saddam-like impulses, we now understand. >> u.s. officials usually weigh in when allies like saudi arabia go off course. >> they need us to draw red lines. and what they've all needed always over the years was to be able to say to their cabinet or their advisers, i'd love to do that crazy thing you want me to do, i'd love to do that, my heart's with you, but the american secretary of ...

Beginning to emerge and it was more complicated. >> you have a young 29 years old when he became crown prince. very impulsive. not very experienced. young man who had some very dangerous dark impulses. saddam-like impulses we are now understanding. >> u.s. officials usually weigh in when allies like saudi arabia go off course. they need us to draw red lines. what they have all needed always over the years was to be able to say to their cabinet or advisers, i would love to do that crazy thing you want me to do that. i would love to do that. the secretary of state broke my arm. if we don't play ...

Political landscape is one thing, but there's something deeply ugly at the heart of trumpism that we need to talk about. that doesn't seem to at least in my mind and i want to hear your opinion on this, isn't captured by a partisan divide. there's something else here unless we want to attribute some ugliness to a particular side. could you say a little bit about this for me? >> i think you're exactly right. you know, this is what i'm trying to focus on is not -- we're focused on donald trump because it's so fascinating but you shift the frame and ask what is he doing to us? what is he doing to...