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People's sense of confidence, to people's sense of self-esteem, to what they can learn about themselves. i mean, you go back through the -- the huge swath of extraordinary leadership we've had on this issue, really from lincoln, you know? i think i mentioned last night that a lot of people, of course, know about the tragic death of president lincoln at a theater, but we know little how much he actually attended the theater during his presidency. in the worst days of the civil war, he attended the theater constantly, because lincoln understood that he needed the arts to replenish his soul. he c...

Theater and to ballet. and this isn't about people who want to go into the arts. this is about what it does to people's sense of confidence, to people's sense of self-esteem, to what they can learn about themselves. i mean, you go back through the -- the huge swath of extraordinary leadership we've had on this issue, really from lincoln, you know? i think i mentioned last night that a lot of people, of course, know about the tragic death of president lincoln at a theater, but we know little how much he actually attended the theater during his presidency. in the worst days of the civil war, he ...

Theater and to ballet. and this isn't about people who want to go into the arts. this is about what it does to people's sense of confidence, to people's sense of self esteem, to what they can learn about themselves. i mean, you go back through the -- the huge swath of extraordinary leadership we've had on this issue, really from lincoln, you know, i think i mentioned last night that a lot of people, of course, know about the tragic death of president lincoln at a theater. but we know little how much he actually attended the theater during his presidency. and the worst days of the civil war, he...

Money. so this is the kind of thing that gets cut? >> well, i have been involved for more than 20 years in after school programs and i got involved because i recognized when i was with the presidents council on physical fitness, as i traveled around all 50 states, that kids, 50% or more, don't have parents in the afternoon to take care of them. with help on the home work. kids streets and get into trouble. that's why law enforcement has been saying for years that the danger zone for children is between 3:00 and 6:00 in the afternoon because there are no parents around. so it is very important ...

State with the budget deficit. they understand that everybody has to share the pain. they say there is a nonstarter and they are not willing to discuss the erosion of union benefits. >> casey, listen to the crowd behind you. thanks. wisconsin is not alone with budget troubles. 44 states expect deficits for fiscal year 2012. take texas. the governor wants to cut $5 billion from public schools. chiefly from arts programs, prekindergarten and incentive pay. job cuts are very much on the table as well. i want to bring in wayne slater who follows politics for the dallas morning news. the go-to guy ...