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>> joining me now, colonel lawrence wilkerson, former chief of staff for the state department under general colin powell. a distinguished professor of government and public policy at the college of william and mary. colonel, your reaction to the kind of rhetoric that we're hearing from the gop field. trump talking about, well, not ruling out data bases or special i.d. cards as comparison to rabid dogs, talking about only letting christian refugees in. what's your response to all that? >> it doesn't surprise me, chris, especially coming from the more or less right-wing palaver of the republican...

A significant vetting process more likely that a syrian terrorist could get here through a student visa or visitor's visa that's how the 19 terrorists who engaged in the 9/11 attacks got here. none of them were refugees. none came through the refugee process. >> he makes a great point if he would worried about the 2,000s or so refugees come over in the last year maybe we should be worried how many countless came across our southern border and. >> every one of these ways into the country need to have more scrutiny. i'm not saying we should keep all these people out, that's wrong. we should allo...

This is not a problem. why? because the refugee status program has a very, very significant vetting process. it involved not just interviews the refugee applicants but also crosschecking that information against data base. >> what data base. i'm still trying to figure out. i have heard exactly those talking points four days now the 745 number. i don't know i can think a few instances where refugees did cause mayhem in america. what database are they investigating against. calling syria and saying give these guys criminal records? what do their high school transcripts look like? >>. no they are...

Of those were syrians. this is not a problem. why? because the refugee status program has a very, very significant vetting process. it involved not just interviews the refugee applicants but also crosschecking that information against data base. >> what data base. i'm still trying to figure out. i have heard exactly those talking points four days now the 745 number. i don't know i can think a few instances where refugees did cause mayhem in america. what database are they investigating against. calling syria and saying give these guys criminal records? what do their high school transcripts loo...

You've got food service, people with access to luggage. i mean, they've gone through the manifest. they don't completely know. >> they went to the manifest, but none of the passengers or crew members were found on any u.s. terrorism data bases. but, again, somehow a bomb got on the aircraft. we have to look at the perimeter and how it was breeched. >> remember, megyn, the chief of security has been fired. all of this has been circumstantial. what we have to recognize is we have to take this very seriously. these guys have figured out a way way to penetrate security. now, it looks like more tha...