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Sort of pre-existing business deals and a money laundering investigation. which is what has led to the indictments of paul manafort and rick gates. there's also been reporting, particularly by buzzfeed about some suspicious payments coming through the russian embassy here in the united states that were flagged by its bank. then you have, you know, when we talk about the hacking of the election, we actually mean a couple of different things. the second bucket here are the information operations. the twitter, facebook, bots, trolls sort of the data manipulation and targeting that went on across ...

And they were to start moving into not just data exploitation, but data manipulation. >> right. >> that the data that you encounter online is not necessarily going to be true. what we are now seeing facebook talk about and what we're now seeing facebook yet to discuss, but our reporting as well as others are showing happened was that's basically the model going forward. from this active measure stuff. you saw these really disgusting anti-immigrant islamophobic rallies promoted through facebook. that's an effort to move even further from manipulated data, from false information disseminated wid...

But data manipulation. >> right. >> that the data that you encounter online is not necessarily going to be true. what we are now seeing facebook talk about and what we're now seeing facebook yet to discuss, but our reporting as well as others are showing happened was that's basically the model going forward. from this active measure stuff. you saw these really disgusting anti-immigrant islamophobic rallies promoted through facebook. that's an effort to move even further from manipulated data, from false information disseminated widely online, to getting people in the united states who don't kn...

Destruction of data. the prediction came in this exchange with the republican chairman. >> do we so data manipulation on a massive scale? most have been -- >> like changing voting rolls, yes. >> what happens if we change data? >> that's a different challenge for us. >> and a senior democrat declared cyber policy broken, even nonexistent. >> forcing the russians to pay a price for their attack on this country requires compelling americans who colluded or cooperated with them to pay a price or policy of deterrence is in my view an abject failure. >> not achieving desired result. yes, sir. >> the...

Another possible scenario. >> give us the best scenario and the worst scenario. >> do we see data manipulation on a massive scale? most has been penetration and infraction, so what happens if we go in and change data? it is a very different kind of challenge for us. >> if there was another main theme that came out of today's hearing it was frustration among the senators that there had been no real punishment for russia and now the lessons that moscow had learned from the u.s. election were now being applied to other democracies, obviously citing france as one recent example. >> jon: catherine ...