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Trying to get at here is probably going to go unanswered for a pretty long time, which is what your previous guest said, is because spicer won't acknowledge anything, which is what did trump know? are we to really buy that both in the case of flynn and now kushner, there were these high-level discussions going on with the russians, including a russian banker who was under sanctions and that the president knew nothing about it? >> that point, i think, is an important one, francesca. you know, the president gets back. this is him tweeting, you know. he gets back from abroad, and it was almost li...

Air strike against syria a few decades ago. you know, we constantly work that nation up in pentagon planning and in local -- you know, local regional strike planning constantly. i mean we know what every bunker that is there. every munitions facility that's there. we give them target grid reference constantly, and howe that's how we can just pass that data package on to the uss porter and the uss ross and all they have to do is go to key stations, turn their keys and those targets willing struck. but there's another factor to this. all that stuff is exciting. as we say, bombs, guns and helicop...

Why do you think it took investigators this long to figure this out, and was precious time wasted searching in the wrong area? >> well, one thing we go back to, in lieu of facts, we've had so little amount of facts in this case that we've had politics run rampant, international politics run rampant and speculation. there was a little thing that could have prevented two weeks of this search. had this malaysian aircraft had what was called the swift upgrade, an application, that application would have pinged information back like an air france 447 to the ground, through the satellites that would...

There is not a lot of traffic and they should have known this. more significant, the data package, the till let me met tree. it's inexcusable that at this day and age malaysia decided not to put in that app. we would not be here ten days later had they been reporting continuous information back to malaysia air ops as the air france plane did. we would have had a bear hug with those satellites. >> it's about $10 a flight? >> insequential amount of money. look at the reputation nal costs, hundreds and millions of dollars that we're spending right now. that data package would not have solved this...

And others have reported, i think you really have to be cautionary about our ability to find any debris field, let alone the black boxes. but let's take it back for a minute. how can we be in this situation with modern cell phones and everything else? the malaysian airline decided not to buy the data package. we talked about acars. malaysia opportunities had an opportunity to buy a data backage which would have been $10 a flight, like a pandora upgrade. they chose not to do it because of cost and potential drag on the aircraft. that's inexcusable. had we had that at the air france crash, that ...