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About something he supposedly said to his girlfriend about debbie. dave said we won't be rid of that f'ing bitch until he is dead. >> i might have. but i don't remember that. and that certainly does not mean that i'm going to go kill somebody. >> there was his own son conrad who after all believed he was guilty and told police he saw dave and girlfriend mary share a celebratory toast after debbie's disappearance. conrad, said dave, just didn't get it. >> whenever we open a bottle of wine, we always raise our glasses and say cheers. it's just a tradition. we were not toasting anybody's anything...

Somebody killed debbie. se kept up hopes, obviously, for the family's sake. but it was clear that she was not alive based on the crime scene. >> investigators poked around debbie's life history looking for clues. >> she was very talkative, friendly, likable. she was kind of the life of the the party. >> this is debbie's sister, diane, who recalled how friends set her up on that blind date years ago. he was the date, dave hawk. >> she was short and attractive and a lot of fun and pretty good sense of humor. you'd say something and, man, she would pop back with something you didn't quite expect....

The money came from dave's father. but dave controlled the funds and debbie was sure dave was stealing from them to support his own lifestyle. why would she think that? well, this was actually the second set of trusts established for the children. several years before a judge caught dave's hand in the cookie jar of the first trust which listed both dave and debbie as trustees. dave was removed as trust yes of those funds. during the divorce dave's father gave him sole control of a second quite generous trust fund. but when investigators ran the numbers on that second fund administered only by ...

>> oh, no. why are they putting it in? i thought it was harmful. >> though what the jury thought no one could say. then there was inevitably a conversation about whether or not dave would testify. >> i told them i wanted to testify. >> an idea dave's attorney did not like one bit. >> dave is a combative individual, he is prideful, he is offended easily. >> he thinks he is smart and hates for anyone to think he is not smart. he would be perfect fodder for a trained prosecutor. >> and so dave held his tongue in court. he saved his story for us. so you don't think they had any useful evidence aga...

>> still, the defense application for a change of venue was denied, as was the defense request to separate the financial charges from the murder charge. the defense argued that the embezzlement charges were unfairly prejudicial. >> they wanted to make him look like a bad person, a person who was likely to take money from his kids would murder his ex-wife. >> in fact, the prosecution was about to say that dave's here that debbie was about to reveal in open court the theft of the trust fund was a powerful motive for murder. >> that was already exposed. it had already been found in open declarati...