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Bill barr had to say in terms of how he felt about jack smith's integrity. listen to this. >> he's an aggressive prosecutor. he's the kind of prosecutor in my view that if he thinks someone's committed a crime, he hones in on it and really goes to try to make that case. there's no question he's -- he's aggressive. but i do not think that he's a partisan actor, he, personally. >> and you think he's treated trump fairly here? >> i don't know he's treated -- >> from what you've observed, i guess. >> if from what i've observed. i don't know him, but i know a lot of republican lawyers who have work...

>> we are starting to see the broad contours of a legal defense here and they are really trying to hit on this idea of infringing on his freedom of speech, and saying that, here the, government has allegedly criminalize political speech. what that fails to take into consideration is the fact that the indictment outlines exactly how this went so much further than just words and laying out the specific series of alleged actions that the former president took. now, in the alternative, they're also arguing this good, faithfully by the former president really believed that the election had been sto...

And also former house republican investigative committee counsel, beta johnson's also here in associate professor of law at george howell university. and on kuch could or, is a former federal prosecutor as well. in other words, we've got his panel and i'm glad that you're all here because the number one question i keep getting, including at the grocery store today, was, what's up with his whole free speech discussion? the political speech notion. is it true that as long as trump was saying something about his views on the election that he's protected? what do you think? >> well, yes and no. th...

There are throwing things against the wall. in my estimation, we will see what sticks. >> i'm surprised that a panel full of lawyers, not one of us that the word allegedly. so i will say the word allegedly to give -- all the things that we just said. but let me just play for you, for a second, what bill barr had to say, in terms of how he felt about jack smith's integrity. listen to this. >> he's an aggressive prosecutor. he's the kind of prosecutor, in my view, that if he thinks someone is committed a crime, he, you know, hones in on it and really goes to try to make that case. there is no qu...

>> i mean, that seems to belie some of what we're going to be hearing about this language of the weaponization of the government and that, i think the word was deranged, that trump used on truth social. >> one of the night awards. >> it was one of the nice words, right? which, is saying something. but i mean, this idea, the partisanship of a prosecutor. it's always causing the question, whether they have some sort of ax to grind. we hear about it all the time. but is there any evidence to support this talking point? doesn't mean there won't be legs, but other evidence to support this for you? ...