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Ekwifl equivalency that both si on the same moral ground? >> i don't think that the president went far enough. i think the next 48 hours are really an opportunity for the president to clarify. had the president come out and condemn the white spremists and name david duke in his twitter feed or in a press conference, that ends up almost legitimizing the effort. especially one of their leaders. while i think the president should strengthen his rhetoric, naming people and elevating their platform. >> david, i mean, what do you think about all this? i mean, of course, everyone is wondering why in ...

Rightly, there is pressure and attention focused on how the president responds. >> john, what do you think about people saying that possibly this is politically motivated. president trump did not want to lose the base of his supporters. we know that president trump gets strong support from whut nationalists and the alt right. case in point, david duke endorsed president trump during the campaign. do you feel this is simply just an oversight? >> to extrapolate that a few crazy white nationalists all of a sudden are reflective of donald trump's base voters, i mean, is ridiculous. if you look at ...

Let's give david ciders the last word. if you look at just the way republican lawmakers are tweeting and clearly it's a message to president trump because you've got senator orrin hatch, republican senator ted cruz. they're specifically using the words white supremacy. this is domestic terrorism. what does this say about this disconnect? how do you -- how do we reconcile this disconnect between the republican president and his lawmakers? >> there clearly is attention there. i think john is -- the current of what john is saying is right. this is one person who drove a car into a mob tonight, an...

With us now from los angeles, david ciders, senior reporter for politico, and cnn political commentator john thomas. good to see you both, gentlemen. david, i want to start with you. is trump -- is president trump failing the first crisis of its kind of his presidency? >> i think that's an interesting question. he is getting a lot of criticism, obviously, for failing to call this an act of terror or to call it white supremacy, but as far as a political failing, i think we're yet to see. i mean, i'm not sure that the incident tonight will persuade voters about anything new about president trump...

As a, you know, a part of a broader problem. >> all right. david ciders, john thomas, thank you so much both of you gentlemen for joining us. apologies that we couldn't get you to finish your sentence there, john. we'll do it again next time. thanks. all right. coming up -- >> you came here today to hurt people, and you did hurt people. my message is clear. we are stronger than you. >> that was the governor of virginia condemning the violence, calling out white supremacists from the violence that erupted in his state saturday. ahead we're going to have more on his message to the neo-nazis. s...